LAZA74
Anmeldungsdatum: 8. Januar 2009
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Wohnort: Hegau
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Hai, ich habe obigen Drucker für das Medion Notebook geholt - der Drucker treibt mich jedoch in Wahnsinn, weil er sehr selten das tut, was er soll: richtig drucken.
Momentan erscheinen wieder nur Hyroglyphen (auf möglichst vielen Seiten) und sonst nix. 👿 Dabei wurde der Drucker mehrfach mit den korrekten Treibern von Brother (hll2370dnpdrv-4.0.0-1.i386.deb) installiert. Ich vermute, da hat sich was "verschluckt, den andere Benutzer konnten noch nie ordentlich drucken.
In der Druckerauswahl-Liste steht der Drucker auch 3 Mal drin... Infos:
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25 | $ lpinfo -v
network beh
network ipp
file cups-brf:/
network http
file cups-pdf:/
network socket
network https
direct hp
network lpd
network ipps
file cups-x2go:/
network bjnp
direct hpfax
network ipp://HL-L2370DN%20series._ipp._tcp.local/
network tea4cups:beh
direct tea4cups:hp
network tea4cups:bjnp
network tea4cups:socket
network tea4cups:https
network tea4cups:ipp
network tea4cups:lpd
network tea4cups:http
network tea4cups:ipps
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. | $ lpstat -t
Zeitplandienst läuft
systemvoreingestelltes Ziel: PDF
Gerät für HLL2370DN: ipp://HL-L2370DN%20series._ipp._tcp.local/
Gerät für PDF: cups-pdf:/
HLL2370DN akzeptiert Anfragen seit So 01 Nov 2020 15:51:20 CET
PDF akzeptiert Anfragen seit So 10 Mai 2020 12:39:29 CEST
Drucker HLL2370DN ist im Leerlauf. Aktiviert seit So 01 Nov 2020 15:51:20 CET
Der Drucker antwortet nicht.
Drucker PDF ist im Leerlauf. Aktiviert seit So 10 Mai 2020 12:39:29 CEST
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. | $ cat /etc/printcap
# This file was automatically generated by cupsd(8) from the
# /etc/cups/printers.conf file. All changes to this file
# will be lost.
PDF|PDF:rm=MD99874:rp=PDF:
HLL2370DN|HLL2370DN:rm=MD99874:rp=HLL2370DN:
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. | $ dpkg -l | grep -i "brscan\|Brother"
ii hll2370dnpdrv:i386 4.0.0-1 i386 Brother HL-L2370DN printer driver (lpd/cups)
ii printer-driver-brlaser 6-1build1 amd64 printer driver for (some) Brother laser printers
ii printer-driver-ptouch 1.4.2-3 amd64 printer driver Brother P-touch label printers
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Angeschloßen übrigens per USB. Vielen Dank schonmal,
LAZA
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LAZA74
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Anmeldungsdatum: 8. Januar 2009
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Hallo, zuerstmal die Paketliste. | ~$ dpkg -l | egrep 'ippusbxd|libusb-0.1-4|system-config-printer-udev'
ii ippusbxd 1.34-2ubuntu1 amd64 Daemon for IPP USB printer support
ii libusb-0.1-4:amd64 2:0.1.12-32 amd64 userspace USB programming library
ii system-config-printer-udev 1.5.12-0ubuntu1 amd64 Utilities to detect and configure printers automatically
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Ich habe mich nicht ganz korrekt ausgedrückt.
Der Drucker druckt richtig wenn ich mal wieder rumgefummelt und den propietären Brother-Treiber erneut installiert habe. Allerdings druckt er dann nur mit meinem Benutzer, nicht mit dem von der Tochter. Insofern eine andere Baustelle aber selber Problembär...
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LAZA74
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Anmeldungsdatum: 8. Januar 2009
Beiträge: 507
Wohnort: Hegau
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Hallo, zurück im Wochenende. 1
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44 | $ systemctl --no-pager status cups*
● cups.path - CUPS Scheduler
Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/cups.path; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
Active: active (waiting) since Fri 2020-11-06 16:06:42 CET; 10min ago
Triggers: ● cups.service
Nov 06 16:06:42 MD99874 systemd[1]: Started CUPS Scheduler.
● cups.service - CUPS Scheduler
Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/cups.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
Active: active (running) since Fri 2020-11-06 16:06:44 CET; 10min ago
TriggeredBy: ● cups.socket
● cups.path
Docs: man:cupsd(8)
Main PID: 748 (cupsd)
Tasks: 3 (limit: 2144)
Memory: 6.6M
CGroup: /system.slice/cups.service
├─ 748 /usr/sbin/cupsd -l
└─1000 /usr/lib/cups/notifier/dbus dbus://
Nov 06 16:06:44 MD99874 systemd[1]: Started CUPS Scheduler.
● cups-browsed.service - Make remote CUPS printers available locally
Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/cups-browsed.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
Active: active (running) since Fri 2020-11-06 16:06:43 CET; 10min ago
Main PID: 697 (cups-browsed)
Tasks: 3 (limit: 2144)
Memory: 3.1M
CGroup: /system.slice/cups-browsed.service
└─697 /usr/sbin/cups-browsed
Nov 06 16:06:43 MD99874 systemd[1]: Started Make remote CUPS printers available locally.
● cups.socket - CUPS Scheduler
Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/cups.socket; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
Active: active (running) since Fri 2020-11-06 16:06:42 CET; 10min ago
Triggers: ● cups.service
Listen: /run/cups/cups.sock (Stream)
Tasks: 0 (limit: 2144)
Memory: 0B
CGroup: /system.slice/cups.socket
Nov 06 16:06:42 MD99874 systemd[1]: Listening on CUPS Scheduler.
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+ wlx7cc709ca186d IPv6 HLL2370DN @ MD99874 Internet Printer local
+ wlx7cc709ca186d IPv4 HLL2370DN @ MD99874 Internet Printer local
+ lo IPv4 HLL2370DN @ MD99874 Internet Printer local
= wlx7cc709ca186d IPv4 HLL2370DN @ MD99874 Internet Printer local
hostname = [MD99874.local]
address = [192.168.0.179]
port = [631]
txt = ["printer-type=0x809016" "printer-state=3" "Duplex=T" "TLS=1.2" "UUID=3b80828b-85a7-34d4-6d95-5b93606cc4dd" "URF=DM3" "pdl=application/octet-stream,application/pdf,application/postscript,image/jpeg,image/png,image/pwg-raster,image/urf" "product=(Brother HLL2370DN series)" "priority=0" "adminurl=https://MD99874.local.:631/printers/HLL2370DN" "ty=Brother HLL2370DN for CUPS" "rp=printers/HLL2370DN" "qtotal=1" "txtvers=1"]
= lo IPv4 HLL2370DN @ MD99874 Internet Printer local
hostname = [MD99874.local]
address = [127.0.0.1]
port = [631]
txt = ["printer-type=0x809016" "printer-state=3" "Duplex=T" "TLS=1.2" "UUID=3b80828b-85a7-34d4-6d95-5b93606cc4dd" "URF=DM3" "pdl=application/octet-stream,application/pdf,application/postscript,image/jpeg,image/png,image/pwg-raster,image/urf" "product=(Brother HLL2370DN series)" "priority=0" "adminurl=https://MD99874.local.:631/printers/HLL2370DN" "ty=Brother HLL2370DN for CUPS" "rp=printers/HLL2370DN" "qtotal=1" "txtvers=1"]
= wlx7cc709ca186d IPv6 HLL2370DN @ MD99874 Internet Printer local
hostname = [MD99874.local]
address = [2a02:8071:8198:2c00::61bf]
port = [631]
txt = ["printer-type=0x809016" "printer-state=3" "Duplex=T" "TLS=1.2" "UUID=3b80828b-85a7-34d4-6d95-5b93606cc4dd" "URF=DM3" "pdl=application/octet-stream,application/pdf,application/postscript,image/jpeg,image/png,image/pwg-raster,image/urf" "product=(Brother HLL2370DN series)" "priority=0" "adminurl=https://MD99874.local.:631/printers/HLL2370DN" "ty=Brother HLL2370DN for CUPS" "rp=printers/HLL2370DN" "qtotal=1" "txtvers=1"]
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. | id
uid=1000(tanja) gid=1000(tanja) Gruppen=1000(tanja),4(adm),7(lp),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),118(lpadmin),126(sambashare)
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Die anderen User sind auch in der Gruppe "lp". 1
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Fri Nov 6 16:20:17 2020 Reading command line option -vv, turning on debug mode (Log on standard error).
Fri Nov 6 16:20:17 2020 cups-browsed of cups-filters version 1.27.4 starting.
Fri Nov 6 16:20:17 2020 Reading config: BrowseRemoteProtocols dnssd cups
Fri Nov 6 16:20:17 2020 No "Browse..." line at all, accept all servers ("BrowseOrder Deny,Allow").
Fri Nov 6 16:20:17 2020 main() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:17 2020 cups-browsed: Creating http connection to local CUPS daemon via domain socket: /var/run/cups/cups.sock
Fri Nov 6 16:20:17 2020 update_netifs() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:17 2020 Network interfaces: lo (127.0.0.1, localhost), wlx7cc709ca186d (192.168.0.179, MD99874, 192.168.0.179*), lo (::1, ip6-localhost), wlx7cc709ca186d (2a02:8071:8198:2c00::61bf), wlx7cc709ca186d (2a02:8071:8198:2c00:a9f2:b0cf:4239:f175), wlx7cc709ca186d (fe80::307a:713f:bdf6:313)
Fri Nov 6 16:20:17 2020 cups-browsed [BrowsePoll /var/run/cups/cups.sock:0]: IPP-Create-Subscription
Fri Nov 6 16:20:17 2020 cups-browsed [BrowsePoll /var/run/cups/cups.sock:0]: subscription ID=532
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 cups-browsed (/var/run/cups/cups.sock): cupsEnumDests
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Printer HLL2370DN: ipp://HL-L2370DN%20series._ipp._tcp.local/, 3b80828b-85a7-34d4-6d95-5b93606cc4dd
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Printer PDF: cups-pdf:/, 7c26fa9a-1d95-39a0-4760-65179e538d05
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 find_previous_queue() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 find_previous_queue() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Using signal handler SIGACTION
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi server connection got available, setting up service browsers.
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 failed to bind CUPS Browsing socket: Permission denied
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 listening
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 browse_callback() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi Browser: NEW: service 'HLL2370DN @ MD99874' of type '_ipp._tcp' in domain 'local' on interface 'wlx7cc709ca186d' (IPv6)
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 browse_callback() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi Browser: NEW: service 'HLL2370DN @ MD99874' of type '_ipp._tcp' in domain 'local' on interface 'wlx7cc709ca186d' (IPv4)
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 browse_callback() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi Browser: NEW: service 'HLL2370DN @ MD99874' of type '_ipp._tcp' in domain 'local' on interface 'lo' (IPv4)
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 browse_callback() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi Browser: CACHE_EXHAUSTED
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 browse_callback() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi Browser: ALL_FOR_NOW
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 browse_callback() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi Browser: NEW: service 'HLL2370DN @ MD99874' of type '_ipps._tcp' in domain 'local' on interface 'wlx7cc709ca186d' (IPv6)
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 browse_callback() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi Browser: NEW: service 'HLL2370DN @ MD99874' of type '_ipps._tcp' in domain 'local' on interface 'wlx7cc709ca186d' (IPv4)
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 browse_callback() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi Browser: NEW: service 'HLL2370DN @ MD99874' of type '_ipps._tcp' in domain 'local' on interface 'lo' (IPv4)
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 browse_callback() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi Browser: CACHE_EXHAUSTED
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 browse_callback() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi Browser: ALL_FOR_NOW
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 resolve_callback() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 update_netifs() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Network interfaces: lo (127.0.0.1, localhost), wlx7cc709ca186d (192.168.0.179, MD99874, 192.168.0.179*), lo (::1, ip6-localhost), wlx7cc709ca186d (2a02:8071:8198:2c00::61bf), wlx7cc709ca186d (2a02:8071:8198:2c00:a9f2:b0cf:4239:f175), wlx7cc709ca186d (fe80::307a:713f:bdf6:313)
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 cups-browsed [BrowsePoll /var/run/cups/cups.sock:0]: IPP-Get-Notifications
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 cups-browsed [BrowsePoll /var/run/cups/cups.sock:0]: no events
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 local_printer_has_uuid() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi Resolver: Service 'HLL2370DN @ MD99874' of type '_ipp._tcp' in domain 'local' with host name 'MD99874.local' and port 631 on interface 'wlx7cc709ca186d' (IPv6) with UUID 3b80828b-85a7-34d4-6d95-5b93606cc4dd is from local CUPS, ignored (Avahi lookup result or host name of local machine).
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 listening
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 resolve_callback() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 update_netifs() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Network interfaces: lo (127.0.0.1, localhost), wlx7cc709ca186d (192.168.0.179, MD99874, 192.168.0.179*), lo (::1, ip6-localhost), wlx7cc709ca186d (2a02:8071:8198:2c00::61bf), wlx7cc709ca186d (2a02:8071:8198:2c00:a9f2:b0cf:4239:f175), wlx7cc709ca186d (fe80::307a:713f:bdf6:313)
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 cups-browsed [BrowsePoll /var/run/cups/cups.sock:0]: IPP-Get-Notifications
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 cups-browsed [BrowsePoll /var/run/cups/cups.sock:0]: no events
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 local_printer_has_uuid() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi Resolver: Service 'HLL2370DN @ MD99874' of type '_ipp._tcp' in domain 'local' with host name 'MD99874.local' and port 631 on interface 'wlx7cc709ca186d' (IPv4) with UUID 3b80828b-85a7-34d4-6d95-5b93606cc4dd is from local CUPS, ignored (Avahi lookup result or host name of local machine).
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 listening
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 resolve_callback() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 update_netifs() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Network interfaces: lo (127.0.0.1, localhost), wlx7cc709ca186d (192.168.0.179, MD99874, 192.168.0.179*), lo (::1, ip6-localhost), wlx7cc709ca186d (2a02:8071:8198:2c00::61bf), wlx7cc709ca186d (2a02:8071:8198:2c00:a9f2:b0cf:4239:f175), wlx7cc709ca186d (fe80::307a:713f:bdf6:313)
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 cups-browsed [BrowsePoll /var/run/cups/cups.sock:0]: IPP-Get-Notifications
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 cups-browsed [BrowsePoll /var/run/cups/cups.sock:0]: no events
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 local_printer_has_uuid() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi Resolver: Service 'HLL2370DN @ MD99874' of type '_ipp._tcp' in domain 'local' with host name 'MD99874.local' and port 631 on interface 'lo' (IPv4) with UUID 3b80828b-85a7-34d4-6d95-5b93606cc4dd is from local CUPS, ignored (Avahi lookup result or host name of local machine).
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 listening
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 resolve_callback() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 update_netifs() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Network interfaces: lo (127.0.0.1, localhost), wlx7cc709ca186d (192.168.0.179, MD99874, 192.168.0.179*), lo (::1, ip6-localhost), wlx7cc709ca186d (2a02:8071:8198:2c00::61bf), wlx7cc709ca186d (2a02:8071:8198:2c00:a9f2:b0cf:4239:f175), wlx7cc709ca186d (fe80::307a:713f:bdf6:313)
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 cups-browsed [BrowsePoll /var/run/cups/cups.sock:0]: IPP-Get-Notifications
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 cups-browsed [BrowsePoll /var/run/cups/cups.sock:0]: no events
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 local_printer_has_uuid() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi Resolver: Service 'HLL2370DN @ MD99874' of type '_ipps._tcp' in domain 'local' with host name 'MD99874.local' and port 631 on interface 'wlx7cc709ca186d' (IPv6) with UUID 3b80828b-85a7-34d4-6d95-5b93606cc4dd is from local CUPS, ignored (Avahi lookup result or host name of local machine).
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 listening
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 resolve_callback() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 update_netifs() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Network interfaces: lo (127.0.0.1, localhost), wlx7cc709ca186d (192.168.0.179, MD99874, 192.168.0.179*), lo (::1, ip6-localhost), wlx7cc709ca186d (2a02:8071:8198:2c00::61bf), wlx7cc709ca186d (2a02:8071:8198:2c00:a9f2:b0cf:4239:f175), wlx7cc709ca186d (fe80::307a:713f:bdf6:313)
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 cups-browsed [BrowsePoll /var/run/cups/cups.sock:0]: IPP-Get-Notifications
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 cups-browsed [BrowsePoll /var/run/cups/cups.sock:0]: no events
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 local_printer_has_uuid() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi Resolver: Service 'HLL2370DN @ MD99874' of type '_ipps._tcp' in domain 'local' with host name 'MD99874.local' and port 631 on interface 'wlx7cc709ca186d' (IPv4) with UUID 3b80828b-85a7-34d4-6d95-5b93606cc4dd is from local CUPS, ignored (Avahi lookup result or host name of local machine).
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 listening
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 resolve_callback() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 update_netifs() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Network interfaces: lo (127.0.0.1, localhost), wlx7cc709ca186d (192.168.0.179, MD99874, 192.168.0.179*), lo (::1, ip6-localhost), wlx7cc709ca186d (2a02:8071:8198:2c00::61bf), wlx7cc709ca186d (2a02:8071:8198:2c00:a9f2:b0cf:4239:f175), wlx7cc709ca186d (fe80::307a:713f:bdf6:313)
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 cups-browsed [BrowsePoll /var/run/cups/cups.sock:0]: IPP-Get-Notifications
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 cups-browsed [BrowsePoll /var/run/cups/cups.sock:0]: no events
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 local_printer_has_uuid() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 Avahi Resolver: Service 'HLL2370DN @ MD99874' of type '_ipps._tcp' in domain 'local' with host name 'MD99874.local' and port 631 on interface 'lo' (IPv4) with UUID 3b80828b-85a7-34d4-6d95-5b93606cc4dd is from local CUPS, ignored (Avahi lookup result or host name of local machine).
Fri Nov 6 16:20:18 2020 listening
Fri Nov 6 16:22:40 2020 Caught signal 2, shutting down ...
Fri Nov 6 16:22:40 2020 main loop exited
Fri Nov 6 16:22:40 2020 Processing printer list ...
Fri Nov 6 16:22:40 2020 === Remote printer overview ===
Fri Nov 6 16:22:40 2020 ===============================
Fri Nov 6 16:22:40 2020 === Remote printer overview ===
Fri Nov 6 16:22:40 2020 ===============================
Fri Nov 6 16:22:40 2020 cups-browsed [BrowsePoll /var/run/cups/cups.sock:0]: IPP-Cancel-Subscription
Fri Nov 6 16:22:40 2020 free_local_printer() in THREAD 139711787772608
Fri Nov 6 16:22:40 2020 free_local_printer() in THREAD 139711787772608
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Die Ausgabe hängt bei den zwei Leerzeilen! Ich habe nach einiger Zeit abgebrochen. Vielen Dank und schönen Abend
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LAZA74
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Wohnort: Hegau
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Ich habe jetzt die Energiesparoption | ~$ cat /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend
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deaktiviert wie in diesem Blog empfohlen.
Vielleicht hilfts-–
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LAZA74
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Wohnort: Hegau
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Kellerkind_2009 schrieb: Auf jeden Fall wird der Drucker erkannt.Eventuell die IPV6 abschalten.Fehler kann ich im Moment nicht sehen.
Bei einem USB-Drucker? Mal andersrum gedacht: Wäre es einfacher ein kleinen Switch zu kaufen und übers Netzwerk zu drucken? Das NB hat aber nur WLAN und BT, keine Ethernet... ☹
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Kellerkind_2009
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Wohnort: Schleswig-Holstein
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LAZA74 schrieb:
Bei einem USB-Drucker?
Ich Verstehe nicht .... Gerät für HLL2370DN: ipp://HL-L2370DN%20series._ipp._tcp.local/
= wlx7cc709ca186d IPv4 HLL2370DN @ MD99874 Internet Printer local
hostname = [MD99874.local]
address = [192.168.0.179]
port = [631] Reden wir hier aneinander vorbei?
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